Category: Conferences

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Attended the third Sohn India Conference today.

The Conference opened with opening remarks by Nitin Saigal,Founder &CIO, Kora Management

He explained the purpose of the Conference i.e. to raise funds for paediatric cancer care.

The format of the Conference was the same:

1. Every speaker will be allotted 15 minutes
2. The speaker have to give their best idea
3. No Q&A

The first speaker was Raamdeo Agarwal of Motilal Oswal:

• Delighted that his best idea was my sentimental favourite…RBL Bank.
• Said there is a multi-decadal opportunity in private banks due to value migration from public sector banks as well India’s low Bank Credit to GDP Ratio (only 51%)
• Applied his well-known QGLP framework to analyze the company
• He pointed out that the senior management and employees have significant skin in the game-ESOPs are 9.4% of the Capital Base
• He had a very interesting comparison of HDFC Bank in its first 8 years of going public with RBL Bank…RBL Bank compared well if not better on most parameters
• He gave a price target of Rs.1,145 in the next 3 years and felt it could be 10 bagger in the next 10 years

The second speaker was Navneet Munot from SBI Mutual Fund

• Being from Mutual Fund Industry,compliance demands he can’t give stock picks but can speak on sectors
• His pick was the Healthcare sector especially Hospitals
•  As per him, the challenges in Healthcare are Awareness,Availability and Affordability
• He felt the Govt’s insurance program Ayushman Bharat and rising medical insurance penetration can change the sector
• Currently the newsflow regarding hospitals is very negative-license suspension,price controls,low revenues,low returns etc
• But he felt this would change with time with the right business model and with the formalization of the economy

The third speaker was Dr.Girish Chinnaswamy from the Tata Memorial Centre

• Explained about pediatric cancer
• Explained that cancer cure in India should not only be effective but also affordable
• Appealed to participants to contribute to the Tata Memorial Centre

Here would like to take a time-out and request readers to help the cause of cancer cure by contributing to Tata Memorial

The fourth speaker was Shankar Sharma,from First Global

• His first pick was Man Industries
• As per him, the company is attractively valued at 6x FY19 earnings
• Expected to grow at 80% this year
• Its the third largest player in the LSAW/HSAW pipes category
• Robust Order Book,Good Clientele,Low Debt,Low Capacity Utilization,No Equity Dilution etc makes this company attractive
• His next pick was HFCL…this elicited eye-rolls from the audience
• His investment thesis was robust order book of 10,000 Cr, Good Clientele including Reliance Jio, low valuations,increasing free cash flow, cheaper than Sterlite Technologies, new plants etc
• He also provided updates on his picks from the earlier Sohn Conferences-A2Z Infra and MEP Infra

The fifth speaker was Ashwini Agarwal of Ashmore India Investment Managers LLP

• His pick was Parag Foods and had 3 investment thesis
• Investment Thesis # 1 – Rising share of Value Added Products
• Investment Thesis # 2 – Extracting Efficiency from Operations
• Investment Thesis # 3 – Limited Capex, FCF turns positive
• He was very bullish about their Whey Protein powder Avvatar…said he had got the powder examined by medical professionals etc
• Till now, Whey Powder used to be imported from outside.Parag can have a crack at this 1000 Cr market
• He expects the stock to give a return of atleast 50% in the next two years

The sixth speaker(s) were two MBA students.Aneesh Sharma from MDI Gurgaon and Jigar Thakkar from IIM Khozikhode

• They jointly presented on Delta Corp
• Found it amusing that they gave a price target of Rs.601 with a time frame of 5 years !

Next was a video inteview between Chamath Palihapitiya of Social Capital and Venture Capitalist Bill Gurley of Benchmark Capital

It was a fairly interesting interview and one Question stood out for me.

Q.What do you think about India’s Flipkart?

A.They are competing against Amazon and that’s a tough position to be in

This was followed by a tea break . I noticed that the crowds were much lesser than last year.Also, the correction in midcaps/small caps had left the audience subdued…a far cry from the animal spirits of last time.

The seventh speaker was Rukhshad Shroff, J P Morgan Asset Management

• He mentioned that he still liked his picks from the earlier conference-HDFC Bank and Jubilant Food
• His pick this time was MCX
• Mentioned that traditionally exchanges have made money for investors
• Liquidity begets liquidity and once an exchange is established, there is no need for another exchange.Hence they tend to be natural monopolies
• Multiple reforms underway-More Commodities,Options,New Principals,Longer Dated Contracts etc
• He had an interesting comparison of Total Commodity Derivatives Vs GDP of a country…as per that India is only 0.49 as compared to 1.98 China or 2.39 US
• He then took a guess at where valuations could be in 2028 (!)…arrived at a multiple of 3.5x-5x current valuations
• Astonishingly, he didn’t make any mention of MCX-NSE merger.

The eight speaker was Prashant Khemka of White Oak Capital

• This is one person I was really looking forward to listening
• His pick was Jyothy Labs…he called it a forgotten FMCG company
• As per him, its a great business (superior ROCE,Scalabale, Strong Execution and Good Governance) and attractive valuations as per DCF and relative to Sector (50% cheaper than peers)
• Really liked the way he emphasised cash flows in his presentation…even while doing sector analysis, his focus was on cash flows.
• He ended his presentation with a memorable line “It will double without trouble in 3 years and will triple without ripple in 5 years”

The ninth speaker was Poonam Bagai of CanKids

• CanKids is a NGO working in the field of Pediatric Cancer
• She herself is a Cancer Survivor and explained the work of her NGO

The tenth speaker was Shiv Puri of TVF Capital Advisors

• Was a very disappointing performance
• Spent 90% of his time talking about technology, disruption etc
• Then gave his pick…Kotak Bank !
• Found that very funny

The eleventh speaker was Sunil Singhania of Abakkus Asset Managers LLP

• Sunil was earlier with Reliance Mutual Fund and couldn’t give stock picks earlier due to compliance reasons
• Since now he is on his own, the audience had high expectations from his presentation
• Sunil talked about the branded foods opportunity in India-mentioned India spends one-third of its GDP on food and around $200 Billion on branded foods
• This will only grow with time creating huge opportunities for companies in this space
• Catch is most of these companies are trading at nose bleed valuations (60-70 P/E)
• His solution? Buy Bombay Burmah…it owns 51% of Brittania and 38% of Bombay Dyeing
• Currently, there is a holdco discount of 73%…which he feels may reduce with time
• He then did an analysis of 3 scenarios which saw Bombay Burmah giving a return of anywhere between 53% to 183% in the next 2/3 years

The session ended with a video clip by Chamath Palihapitiya of Social Capital  where he spoke of investment opportunities in the Artificial Intelligence space.

I found this clip to be very interesting and a part of it can be seen here

 

 

(Disclaimer: The stocks mentioned in this post are for informational purpose only and not a recommendation to buy/sell)

Attended the second Sohn India Conference today.

The Conference opened with opening remarks by Nitin Saigal,Founder &CIO, Kora Management

He explained the format of the Conference:

1. Every speaker will be allotted 15 minutes
2. The speaker have to give their best idea
3. No Q&A

The first speaker was Raamdeo Agarwal of Motilal Oswal:

• Raamdeo Agarwal’s best pick was PNB Housing Finance. He termed it a ‘Lakh Crore Ki Kahani’
• In India, there are only 27 Companies which have a market cap of more than 1L Crores.For a company to break into this elite club, there must be strong tailwinds and a long runway in place.Some such megatrends that he has seen in his career are IT Services,Private Banks,Pharma etc
• He analyzed the Company using his QGLP model.
• Its a business with secular growth drivers.India’s Mortgage to GDP is very low (9%) and level of urbanization is only 33%.Both these figures can only go up.
• The Gross NPAs in this business is only 0.8%
• For all practical purposes, it is Carlyle which owns 38% of the company is running the business.They have put in top class processes and practices.
• Raamdeo Agarwal quipped –‘I own a housing finance business myself and hence can judge the high quality and scalability of PNB’s processes’
• The management plans to double assets by 2020. Modi’s ‘Housing For All’ can create a 50L Crores Mortgage Market.
• The Company has grown at 52% CAGR in the last 4 years and increased its market share
• He expects the stock to break into the 1 Lakh Crore Club by 2024…a CAGR of 24%

The second speaker was Sunil Singhania of Reliance Mutual Fund

• Being from Mutual Fund Industry,compliance demands he can’t give stock picks but can speak on sectors
• His pick was the  Cement Sector
• Felt while the current demand is low,the sector will benefit from the Govt’s infrastructure and housing boost
• The problem is that cement stocks have significantly increased in price
• He presented an interesting way to play this sector
• Said the most significant wealth creation in Shree Cements happened when capacity when from 15 Million Tonnes to 25 Million Tonnes–stock price went up by 3x/4x
• He suggested to buy two companies-one North/Central India and the other South India-which have around 15 Million Tonnes each and are ramping up capacity
• Enjoyed the clear thinking and analysis of Sunil Singhania

The third speaker was a doctor from the Tata Memorial Hospital

• Explained about pediatric cancer
• Explained that cancer cure in India should not only be effective but also affordable
• Appealed to participants to contribute to the Tata Memorial Trust

Here would like to take a time-out and request readers to help the cause of cancer cure by contributing to Tata Memorial

The fourth speaker was Shankar Sharma,from First Global

• Explained that he liked companies with high leverage because when debt gets paid off, correspondingly market value increases
• Recommended MEP Infrastructure Developers Ltd
• Basically, a toll operator with 19 Toll Plazas including Mumbai entry points,Bandra sea link etc
• For the first time since inception it has made a profit now
• Expects debt leveraging to happen

The fifth speaker was Saurabh Mukherjea of Ambit

• Recommended Garware Wall Ropes
• Top manufacturer of nets and ropes in the world
• Exports 3000 SKUs to 80 countries
• Its expertise in blending high end polymer chemistry with high labor intensity is unmatched
• His Primary checks tell him customers are very satisfied with the Company products
• Growth will come from Defense,Agri,Infra etc
• Management is prudent in their capital allocation, had bought back their own shares in the past

The sixth speaker was Navneet Munot of SBI Mutual Fund

• Being from Mutual Fund Industry,compliance demands he can’t give stock picks but can speak on sectors
• His sector pick was Telcos
• There will be a bloodbath in the sector for next 2-3 quarters
• The Telcos which survive will make a lot of money as
  • Data addiction now is a bigger addiction than alcohol,tobacco etc
  • Push by the Govt-show a Modi video clip
  • Consolidation–>Pricing Power—>ROCE

The seventh speaker was Aanand Chouhan, a 2nd Year student from IIM Bangalore

• Aanand had won a stock picking competition organized by Sohn and hence was given opportunity to present his idea
• His stock pick was Infoedge
• Felt the company’s core business (Naukri), Internet Portfolio (99acres,Jeevansathi etc) and VC Investments (Zomato,PolicyBazaar etc) were valuable and could grow well
• Gave a target price of 1570 Rs/share over the next 3 years

Next was a video clip by Jeff Gundlach of Doubleline:

• He said there is no such thing as passive investing as the index constituents are decided by a Committee
• Said to go long EM and short US 500

This was followed by a tea break where I met the redoubtable Samir Arora. He was amused the Munot was recommending the sector he was short on !

The eighth speaker was Kenneth Andrade of Old Bridge Capital Management

• His top pick was ENI
• Its the market leader in the Radio space with 30% market share and recognizable brand (Radio Mirchi)
• It will have second frequency in 11 Metros
• National footprint with 60 cities
• Radio is an attractive space with 4% of Media spend and growing at a CAGR of 16.9%
• ENI has already done significant capex and its time to reap the benefits

The ninth speaker was Shashank Singh of Apax Partners

• His top pick was DCB Bank
• His investment thesis was
  • Retail private banks with clear product/customer strategy will do well
  • DCB Bank reinvented itself after 2010 under current leadership
  • Suppressed earnings due to network rollout and hence attractive valuations
  • Felt the Bank has a conservative credit culture with the CEO himself doing surprise audits
  • Earnings will improve with time as the branch network gets more ‘seasoned’

The tenth speaker was Hiren Ved of Alchemy Capital

• His top pick was Varun Beverages
• Said the Company is a good proxy for Pepsi in India
• Not just a bottler but also a manufacturer,marketer and distributor
• Felt one unanticipated impact of 24*7 electricity is more people consuming more beverages
• Coming to valuations, he said Varun is cheap compared to other consumer plays like Jubilant Food/Page Industries.Found the comparison very funny

The eleventh speaker was Ashwini Agarwal of Ashmore

• His top pick was Persistent Systems
• Said the company was not a typical IT services provider as it is into outsourced product management
• Three investment reasons
  • IBM-Watson tie up begins to pay off
  • Growth in Digital business -40% CAGR is possible
  • Core IT services revenue shows 6-8% CAGR
• Two investment risks
  • Rupee Strengthening
  • Curbs/high fees on H1B Visas

The last speaker was Akash Prakash of Amansa

• His top pick was Infoedge.
• Second time the stock was discussed today
• He felt it was the ultimate India Internet play
• He also felt due to network effects the value of Naukri,99 acres,Zomato etc will keep growing
• He feels the real estate classifieds space is 5x bigger than the recruitment space and the restaurant space is bigger than the real estate classifieds space
• The companys VC fund also lets the investor bet on interesting Internet opportunities which otherwise one could not
• He felt the downside risk was minimal while upside could be 3x/4x

The conference ended by a video clip of Social Capital’s Chamath Palihapitiya who discussed Tesla and made a case for buying its convertibles.

Met Ramesh Damani on the way out. Was blown away by his charm and humility.He was kind enough to indulge our request of a selfie !